a gun show or whether it be internet sales or classified ads. you know, they just -- you know, ratchet up the rhetoric. passed the lies on and stuck to this party line that was defined by lies. >> did you get the sense when -- when somebody -- throws that back in your face, do you get the sense that they had internalized that and believed that was what this bill would do? did you get the sense they were just kind of going through the motions and got to tell them why we are against and it this is what we will go with because that's the script? >> sadly going through the motions. the staff in most situation are sympathetic when they bump into someone like me. i was with roxana green whose daughter was shot and killed in tucson. 9-year-old christina taylor. i was with people from aurora. i was with people from newtown and virginia tech. and day-to-day shootings. we are trying to have a logical conversation about let's apply a background check to all buyers. we do background checks in so many walks of life.