background check that they actually have to go through? >> so it depends on the type of work they're doing and the level of classification they have to be granted. in the case of alexis, i bet you it was either at the confidential or the secret level so there's a certain security clearance process for that. not like edward snowden who was at a tssci compartment, totally different. so it's not difficult to get a secret security clearance in washington as a contractor. and i think the missed signals here, such as the gun discharge in seattle, the lack of a -- >> seattle, you think that it just wasn't -- the seattle incident, even on this low-level access that he was looking for and the seattle incident been available to the background checker at the time, he wouldn't have been approved. >> if that was put into the system, if there was a traditional background check, that should have raised a flag. the fact is with both his gun event in texas and then in the state of washington, neither one