far? >> well, i just always -- my test -- you know, everyone's got their own litmus test in life, and mine was, would i do it? if i were never running for office? and the answer is no. and when i asked myself -- >> but that can't be the test, would i do it if i wasn't running for office, because there's a million -- would i call up random rich people if i wasn't running for office, no. that would be a waste of all your time and there's a million things you'd do. there's always this marginal little corner, like you're already doing all these things, will you just sell your sister out on national television? >> i guess where i drew the line was like a hobby. would i pretend to shoot a gun, you know, or would i pretend to play something that wasn't natural? >> and i think what probably drives mary cheney crazy about this is mary is a political operator, too. >> yes, absolutely, yes. >> and she understands the need -- >> a very close political adviser to dick cheney. it's not like she has nothing to do with politics, she's some naive who doesn't understand this world. >> and she's supported candidates before who are
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