on the other, they're both big boys. they both are sophisticated parties who have bargaining powers. and that is exactly the type of situation where the government should not get involved. they can protect themselves, what the government should be doing is focusing on the consumer. and as long as there are adequate networks in place, it is not the government's business as to whether one doctor is in a certain network or what one insurance company is paying doctors. >> i want to play you a little bit of sound from ezekiel manuel on this issue of whether or not you can keep your doctor, take a listen. >> didn't he say if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor? >> yes, well, listen if you want to pay more for your insurance to keep your doctor, you can do that. we know in certain places, you pay a wider range. people will have a choice to pay more for a selected amount of work -- >> this is a question if