sort of kind of eliminating people's ability to find their way around cities and find their way through complex environments because we can kind of outsource that knowledge to google maps, for instance. in the same way it sort of suggests that you don't need to pay attention because you can outsource that to camera phones as well. these two ideas are very related. the fact that i walk around the city carrying my smartphone in front of my face at all times alters the -- how i experience the environment around me and even sort of how i interact with other people on the streets so we're all simultaneously doing this at the same time. >> absolutely, it alters it and obliterates your interaction with people around you. quite often they are walking down the street or at a party or interaction looking at their phone and not paying attention to the people who are around them. >> yeah, to me these technology tools are awesome in so many different ways.