how the issue of federal land is something that supposedly generated a lot of sympathy for bundy from people out there at least before all of this started. was that true? was there before the racist comments came to light, a fair degree of sentiment supportive or sympathetic to him in nevada? how much is left? is it just the militia men or a chunk of the population that is supporting him? >> well, there is a divide in nevada as there is in the country, steve, between rural and urban america. and there's a lot of rural folks out in nevada who think the feds own too much of their land out there, 80 plus percent. so yes, they sympathize with bundy. he is a terrible, terrible person for them to put up because he has been breaking the law for 20 years and it's not his land, it is federal land and many other ranchers in other parts of the state pay their grazing fees. we had five conservative legislators, republicans from the assembly and the senate