civilians. where the he'lly, we have a lot more sunlight on this issue, and went know it's not what we use against our own people. >> that feels like a conspiracy theory that's speck lavsh, rather than the fact of what the programs are. i also want to ask you, matt, about this government sort of need to recruit the kind of person edward snowden is, the kind of person we generally think of as a hacker. you now have a need by the federal government to have that kind of person in house because you're dealing with seeber security with countries like china. how dangerous is that really to bring someone in because there is a counter cultural aspect to what they do fundamentally? >> sure. i think hackers are probably a little bit different from the clean cut standard military recruit. we need them, though. and the nsa is the main federal agency that keeps on saying we need them. i think what's really scary here is what snowden's leak proved is
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