i think about my friends from places like youngstown ohio, where there are high populations of unemployed white americans. the meth epidemics i have covered myself tearing through america's heart land. it's part of the same cloth, the same despair you see in baltimore and winchester you see in kansas. >> absolutely. we have to tie it up. if you're talking about a pa p ma -- mamas' movement all races need to get involved. >> i love the point about being careful so we are not narrowing it. yet at the same time part of a growing of that is also what nina turner talked about earlier, the idea of a larger notion of mama. although you don't really have a head. you are not a pyramid structure, but as one of the adult members of the black youth project it feels you are in a mama role in an ella baker sense to say that