example that is historic. >> i think most liberal catholics that i know about, including one i know very well, me, happens to like him a lot. and we wonder, a lot of jewish people i know who -- well, they're religious in some cases, but maybe not even religious at all. >> right. >> find this guy wonderful. >> i'm really struck by how timely his remarks are. rather than get hung up on issues that they know the church is not going to move on like abortion or gay marriage. >> that's doctrine. that's hart to touch. >> exactly. >> talking about things like income inequality, and the environment, both of which are very timely issues right now, and the public on the whole is moving in that direction. and i think he has speaking as a protestant who has lived for a long time in chicago. >> what are you? >> i'm a fallen away unitarian at the moment. but chicago got the biggest archdiocese in the country, has always been a place where -- >> conservative catholics too. >> traditional. >> bernadine.