stupid, he's the only smart person. so as soon as he's not winning everywhere then his aura of invincibility, the thing that drives him to be a winner, to be the alpha dog is destroyed so there is a real question, i think, john, i think you're right, whether he'll stay in this if he isn't leading wherever in every poll. that's an expectation game that no one can possible match. >> i want to defend the "des moines register." [ laughter ] >> one of the midwest's greatest newspapers. >> i suspect donald trump thought it was a better newspaper when he was leading in the polls. >> no doubt. stephen, for what it's worth, donald trump refused to apologize for the knock on dr. carson and his religion because he's never apologized for those things. >> right. i think this is the scary part of this campaign, this sort of strain of really awful divisiveness. much of it cloaked in religious terms that we've heard during this campaign and that's not -- that's not american. it's not the thing that i think will get someone the nomination but it's playing for some reason