with bush and kasich and the rest desperately trying to get into the second tier. >> i think the biggest battle i am paying attention to is rubio versus cruz. we know about the outsiders, trump and carson, but which one of these senators, who's going to emerge as the champion of their wing? i think cruz was coming up on that trump message. he is ready in case one of the outsiders fade to catapult ahead. >> hold on there. thank you for tonight. get to bed. robert costa. don kasich took part in the debate. he joins us now. thank you for joining us. i guess the big fight he got involved in was over immigration. you charged it was silly and not an adult conversation to be talking about, sending 11 million people back. is that what you think trump is telling or is that in an emblem of how angry he is about illegal immigration, that he doesn't tend to go that far? >> on that, snake oil.