conservative enough. >> it wasn't a real right-wing government. >> so how does john kasich fit into that? >> kasich represents, if you went back to that time before 2000, kasich was one of the stars of the right. he was -- >> the hard right. >> kasich was in the 1990s was roughly what paul ryan is today. he came out of the house, he was a midwesterner in the house who was the point man on budget issues, on fiscal issues. when bill clinton became president in '93, bill clinton's budget was raise taxes and later in the decade, a lot of people say, one of the reasons you had surpluses by the end of the decade was the '93 budget. the '93 budget, the republicans universally opposed it in the house and stood behind an alternative that was authored by john kasich. john kasich was their guy. and that's where his 2000 presidential campaign came at it. he was hot on the right in the '90s. unfortunately for him, the party was decided on george w. bush. but it wasn't a rejection of john case kick, it was just, bush is our guy. now you fast forward 15, 16 years later, i don't think john kasich has moved appreciably to
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