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conservative enough. >> it wasn't a real right-wing government. >> so how does john kasich fit into that? >> kasich represents, if you went back to that time before 2000, kasich was one of the stars of the right. he was -- >> the hard right. >> kasich was in the 1990s was roughly what paul ryan is today. he came out of the house, he was a midwesterner in the house who was the point man on budget issues, on fiscal issues. when bill clinton became president in '93, bill clinton's budget was raise taxes and later in the decade, a lot of people say, one of the reasons you had surpluses by the end of the decade was the '93 budget. the '93 budget, the republicans universally opposed it in the house and stood behind an alternative that was authored by john kasich. john kasich was their guy. and that's where his 2000 presidential campaign came at it. he was hot on the right in the '90s. unfortunately for him, the party was decided on george w. bush. but it wasn't a rejection of john case kick, it was just, bush is our guy. now you fast forward 15, 16 years later, i don't think john kasich has moved appreciably to
barack obama presidency. not only did this guy give conservativesy a bad name, we didn't win anything for it. that's why the modern right of the last eight years comes from. it was partly a reaction to barack obama. it was a reaction to the decision to be pragmatic in 2000 and to go with george w. bush. we're never going down that road again. >> it's such a good illustration, too. it's an example of how the whole country is giving george w. bush terrible approval ratings. dick cheney left as unpopular as herpes. the country is looking at it like that experiment was a terrible right-wing idea. the conservative movement looked at them and said the reason they failed is because they weren't conservative enough. >> it wasn't a real right-wing government. >> so how does john kasich fit into that? >> kasich represents, if you went back to that time before 2000, kasich was one of the stars of the right.
wall street. and what did we get in terms of an electoral bounty for this? we lost the house, lost the senate, and they just elected barack obama presidency. not only did this guy give conservativesy a bad name, we didn't win anything for it. that's why the modern right of the last eight years comes from. it was partly a reaction to barack obama. it was a reaction to the decision to be pragmatic in 2000 and to go with george w. bush. we're never going down that road again. >> it's such a good illustration, too. it's an example of how the whole country is giving george w. bush terrible approval ratings. dick cheney left as unpopular as herpes. the country is looking at it like that experiment was a terrible right-wing idea. the conservative movement looked at them and said the reason they failed is because they weren't conservative enough. >> it wasn't a real right-wing government. >> so how does john kasich fit
of stuff. so angela is right. the district -- the 2010 census redistricting, that gave us these crazy right wing districts. but even then, you have people that are upset with conservative republicans because they're not, quote, conservative enough. how much more conservative can you get? the republican party is going to die if they're not careful, they will give themselves off, and that will be sad. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you, both, for being on the night on friday the 13th. don't bloelieve any of that superstition stuff. just check when you get home to make sure all your brooms are in the closet. have a great weekend. coming up, president obama gets personal on being a father and growing up without his own dad in his life. but first, chris christie dancing. bridgegate and 2016. that's next. predicting the future is a pretty difficult thing to do. but, manufacturing in the united states means advanced technology.
groups into you, into your political philosophy, not just your message, your philosophy is your theology. the american people are rejecting the theology every single day. >> joe, when the autopsy, as they called it, came out to rebrand them, they flipped out, a lot of republicans. listen to this. we're not here to rebrand the party. we're here to rebuild a court. >> well, if there's any rebranding to be done, it's to rebrand as a conservative party. >> the republican party lost because it's not conservative. it didn't get its base up in the 2012 election. >> they think the problem is they weren't conservative enough, not that they need to rebrand but that they should of dug in deeper, joe. >> there's something strange when you call your report an autopsy. which you only do autopsies on dead things, you know. so they admit, one, that they
leaders. >> dana, your call, call c parks conservatives group herity. usually cpac is a time for the movement faithful to enjoy a diet of red meat speeches that all sound the same but this time they also tasted the chumpy quin noah of self-doubt and criticism. did anything overall emerge from the convention. i wanted to give you that opportunity and test you out for that. usually it is just sort of the echo chamber of the predict blg applause lines, i actually enjoyed cpac more this year because it was -- were the consultants to blame, were they bad candidates, were they not reaching out to candidates or to the young. i think the consensus is they weren't conservative enough. that may not be the main stream