>> the story we' >> doris kearns goodwin joins us from boston, mass, author and president yag historian. doris, what are we witnessing? >> i suspect that the intensity of the feeling for mr. trump outweighed our normal predictions that a ground game mattered, that somehow this entire race, we have underestimated the feelings of the people who felt the political system had let them down over this period of time. but i think the more worrisome thing for america, it's so close, america, this election, that whoever is going to be the leader, whether it be trump or hillary pulls it out, is going to have a really hard time leading in a polarized -- the last thing we needed as a polarized nation was to have a polarized election where there may be recounts, where people will wonder if it went the right way, where people will wonder if the third-party undid it, we need some direction to go forward in a certain way. what worries me most, we worry about both these people as leaders. people don't trust either one of them and we're in a state in our