system and take advantage of it where they don't have that option. and i think that created a resentment that scored points for donald trump quite frankly. >> what do you think of that, steve? >> i think john is absolutely right. i think there is a cultural and elitism that sort of exudes from the establishment that the middle class and working folks just resent. and, you know, hillary clinton has for a long time been part of washington. and as john points out, to many of those people she is somebody who learned how to play the game, played it quite well. and she was always at a disadvantage because it was third term, you know, that she was seeking effectively for the obama administration. she had been around for a long time. she had been beaten up for a long time. this was always going be tough. she ran i think a great campaign. but there are no question the people who felthey were left behind were lashing out at washington and s was more washington than donald trump was. and that's why he won. >> i'm just wondering, guys, back to john and then back to you. when they see -- here is something they all do, the politicians.