discussion, i would say. >> you know what's interesting because we've had a lot of other news about donald trump sort of going after the media, he does seem to have a particular fixation with "the new york times." failing but then turn around and give interviews to the times. he seems to want the "times'" approval. like him. since when donald trump was a young manhattanite on the make trying to build his reputation, he's always been fixated on getting covered in the times. there was a moment today at the meeting where he said, laying out goals for his presidency, he said to me it would be a great achievement if i could come back to this room two years from now and be told by this group that i did a good job. >> do you get the sense that donald trump understands what between the president and the press? tweets and that's all you can