heartburn in beijing, but it's a reality. this is a nation of over 20 million people. they have a democratic government, a free press, a free market. honestly, i think we should shake this relationship up. >> today, china's communist party government advised its response publishing a front page in "the people's daily" calling it nothing but a despicable and petty move and warned, i'm quoting again, "trump and his transition team should realize that making trouble for china/u.s. ties is making trouble for themselves." i'm joined by a member of the presidential transition team executive committee. anthony, it seems to be two ways to interpret this. one is that it wasn't a big deal, it was a courtesy call, the president-elect took it. others say it's a marker for a different direction, a new tact towards this very difficult fraught relationship. it can't be both. so which is it?