challenge panz in the media. that's what they do. and that's what he did when pat wrote his lines, a tactic was liberal commentate percent this. guy's not attacking commentary opinion, he's not criticizing somebody might disagree with me, he's challenging the facts of what the hard news is producing. the wire services, the networks, the newspapers. what is that about? >> he doesn't engage the facts at times, chris. one of the thing he's doing to an extent we have not seen is he is going to so far in describing this as utterly biassed, utterly untrust worthy, despicable people and he doesn't have to address the specifics of a given story. and we saw that toward the end of his presidential campaign. someone would come out with terrific reporting on the way his charity operated or something like that. and he would never really rebutt the exact charges because he would put it all under the umbrella of oh the dishonest