meeting to express concerns about the way and means of government. this moved into an idea. how do we now talk to the american people that we galvanize support around our issues. that was their success. i don't see that yet emerging from the left. what is your message? is it an elizabeth warren message or bernie sanders? what about mainstream democrats who are beginning to feel edged out? the same kind of feeling that take lot of conservatives began to feel and republicans felt, northeastern republicans felt as the party moved towards the south. all of those dynamics i think will have to get played out. but the core thing that i certainly was important for my tenure at the rnc was message. we rallied around the idea of fire pelosi and it translated across the spectrum. that's the key thing i think for a lot of these folks. >> nancy, building on michael's point, is this a way -- i would imagine these numbers are so big. i understand what michael is