over where we are right now as opposed to where the line is going right now where people are losing coverage and we'll have fewer individuals covered than we do currently. >> let's go to the financial feasibility here. in fayette county, west virginia, kaiser family foundation estimates the $4,000 tax credit that a 60-year-old making $30,000 a year will get under the american healthcare act is almost $8,000 less than they would get under obamacare. this is a county, by the way, that voted overwhelmingly for president trump. the point is this, you say that this will make it more affordable and access to coverage, under this plan in this county in this state, less money and more expensive for these folks. >> that's looking at it in a silo. if you look at it in the way that the market will allow them for individuals to have choices, who knows what that 60-year-old wants. i know the federal government doesn't know what the 60-year-old wants. i know that he or she knows what