and the people that call us don't care what package we come into. so those are other people's agendas. and it's just not reality out on the street. it's very, very telling to me when now all of a sudden we have all these mayors and police commissioners and police chiefs embracing these department of justice oversight. obama's department of justice oversight, which is very, very dangerous and very, very costly. the city of cleveland, it will cost us $7 million to pay the monitors to the -- if the department of justice wants to come in and demand reform, then the department of justice should pay for that and not taking the money away from the citizens, from the officers on the street. >> let me bring in mark and then i know deray wants to react. mark, go ahead. >> i find it interesting that part of what we're talking about is the resistance for the law enforcement community in general to change or to accept change or to evolve even. and i think most importantly that part of the reform