story. you started itti years ago. the fact is bobby had good intentions. he wanted to convince the russians that his brother wasn't that weak. i'm reading from your book on this. they didn't want the russians to think we were weak after the bay of pigs because they might go for berlin. >> look, i think presidents often feel frustrated by their bureaucracy, right, and the people around them and look for other ways to do it. that can be a terrible idea, but it can also be a good idea. you can see why former intelligence officials hate it. >> yeah. >> because they don't like to be short circuited. they don't like to be undermined. it does create confusion, missed signals. but if you're the president trying to get stuff done -- jfk said, those striped-pants guys. he didn't trust them. >> here's the question. who are you mighting from? in this case, it looks like kushner is hiding from our own people. they don't like the spies, the intelligence community people. they think they're out there to hurt them. but he wasn't hiding from the russian spies.
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