the larger story about obstruction. >> carey, the democrats nonetheless are after that. that's what they want to be the lead story. they want to make that obstruction case. in your view, how far away are they from that? >> well, i know that there's a number of observers who feel like this is all moving too fast. and so first of all, the special counsel's investigation is going to take some time to run its course. but with respect to obstruction, i think the people are looking for there to be one specific fact, as if there is going to be one fact that makes the obstruction case. and what i would suggest is that it's not goi to be one fact. it's going to be a trail of individual acts from the conversations to tweets to the firing to the tweets after the firing. it's going to be a string of events thatually will either make the case for obstruction or not. >> i want to share with our audience the front page for tomorrow's "new york times."