republican party has essentially, has outsourced its thought leadership to the loudest, most obnoxious, the guy at the end of the bar, as opposed to being a governing party or taking philosophy ideas seriously at all anymore. >> and they're doing it in part from the lessons of the tea party. the tea party said we're going to break everything, and they took down major leaders in the republican party. they are more afraid of primaries. they know once they get through them, gerrymandering, et cetera, keeps going in the general election. governing isn't even important. >> do you fear too many democrats are sort of intoxicated by the idea of, like, well, let's go with our own machine? >> i don't think it's that. i think democrats are still enthralled to this idea that they can have back that trump voter that somehow, they can win them back, that if they just offer them the right things and woo them in the right way, they can somehow win them back, rather than understanding that at this point, the democratic party is the party of people of color, it is the party particularly of women of color, it is the party of the young, and you need to go with your real base and stop trying to win back the sort of archie