i'm saying this live on air as we cover this about whether covering it makes it worse. whether essentially we've created a doom loop of imitation here. should we ignore these? >> no, you shouldn't ignore them. ultimately this will move this country to action. and i've seen of the anti-gun violence movement get stronger and stronger every year. and i think we have to look at what happened today that you didn't cover. there were 90 other people who died from gunshot wounds today. none of that gets covered. it still happens week after week, day after day. so there's no evidence that not covering shootings prevents them because nobody at the national level covers what happens in chicago every night. it continues to happen in large part because they have access to weapons that other countries don't have access to. >> when i look at congress at this moment in our history and the president, and i look at