this? or he never knew till he heard the tweet this morning? which is the truth. >> john kelly is telling white house officials at the certainly gave them the heads-up. but this was only the last of so many -- so many times during the last 14 months when the president was threatening to fire rex tillerson. so tillerson did not take that to heart, did not think he would going to be fired. kelly, we've known in the past, has not always been straightforward in describing conversations. so all we know is from white house officials and white house correspondents that kelly says that he certainly gave him the heads-up on friday night and again at 2:30 a.m. on saturday morning. tillerson had been up for some 72 hours and then that was certainly a warning sign, but he thought he could repair it when he got back here. >> told on. let me go to jonathan. you get to the question of the president's behavior here. it's either personal, vindictive, city cruel? is he sadistic? does he like to fire people at