i think it's the kind of granular issue that wasn't going to move the race this time because for one thing, economic changes, it takes a while for them to settle in. >> sure. >> people aren't ready to say, oh, we're all doing great because of trump's tariffs. he's just now still talking about them. >> and conor lamb endorsed them by the way, and he said next, let's move on. >> my only final question is in the grateful dead analogy, and something we do on the show is we torture analogies to the very end. who's jerry and bob between the two of you? >> well -- >> i get to be jerry, he gets to be bob. >> i interviewed the band, bob was a very quiet guy. i'm not a quiet guy. >> you're jerry, you're bob, or you can have pig pen. >> that's probably more appropriate in my case. >> clarence page and e.j. deion.