organization. and that's the kind of emoluments violation that the founders sought to directly stop and they regarded congress as representatives of the american people in enforcing the emoluments claus. we're the only one who have standing to enforce it. >> senator richard bloomin'thal, thanks for joining me. for more on the president's conflictses of interest, i'm joined by nick contest sorry, reporter for the "new york times," chris lu, assistant to president barack obama. chris, let me start with you. what do you think of this. >> well, look, senator blumenthal talked about how much this stinks and the conflict of interest that's inherent in this. there are two other norms the president is violate here. one is that presidents do not get involved in enforcement actions particularly enforcement action that your secretary of commerce has stuck his neck out on. what's ironic here is not only did zte trade with iran and north korea, when they were caught on this they ended up