put out two very different benchmarks for success. >> yeah. i guess i'm just apprehensive that progressives are having seen the way conservatives and republicans responded to the iran deal are going to respond in kind to an incomplete, imperfect -- >> although i think progressives are hardwired to think talking is better. >> to me, it's this really deeper question about can you take -- if the president of the united states donald trump today said he wanted -- he was going to get behind single payer, you would say this is going to end in tears. yes, in the abstract, sure. in abstract. but do i want this individual to carry out this thing? the answer would be you would be totally rational to be skeptical about that. >> absolutely. >> i think that's more the situation people find themes. >> sue mi terry, nick chris of