because we need voices at the table. we need voices other than the ones that simply chime in to whatever the president has to say. and i want to be one of those voices. i'm one of the unlikely individuals that are willing to get together and let's talk about issues and hold people accountable. but i don't think it was going to go that far. i will tell you, the way it has played out, it's friend or foe. you're either for me or against me. >> can you sense the direction of the moral compass within this administration based on what we're seeing not only charlottesville, which of course was the end of your affiliation with the administration in any way, but what we're seeing here in mcgowan, texas and other border towns? >> i'm afraid i have to say this, but it's true -- there is this demoralization of america that's taking place and it is happening in the halls of power where we no longer are subscribing to a moral compass. i will tell you -- let me tell you something. i can follow a leader who's moral because that means there's