the gang leader or they said they would exterminate my whole family. people running from harm, and we're not talking about huge numbers. so far in the first eight months of fiscal '18, we've had 59,000 of these families running from harm. 32,000 unaccompanied children. that fills one football stadium. for god's sake, the united states can afford that amount of compassion. >> karine, when you think these are the stakes for these people and you hear about the president not just the family separation but say eg doesn't want to grant asylum, he wants to get rid of due process, what degree do you think had public pressure matters here and protests like the ones that you guys are organizing for june 30th we've seen around the country? >> that's the only way we're going to stop this president and his awful policies is by the public pressure is by standing up and fighting back. the president backed down just a