accurate. we do not know where it is higher or lower. all the police have said is that the number of dead, the five that we have been reporting, is not accurate. it is a number we got from the police. we generally want to be very cautious about this. jim, you and i were on tv earlier. there were all sorts of reports about how many people are dead. you and i have gone through this with parkland. but we now know that that number is not accurate. at the end of the 3:00 show i said, jim -- up remember i said i apologize for any information that we don't have correct. and often the one thing we know with these things is there is information that isn't connect. but this is information we got from the police. it seemed to have come out inadvertently or like it wasn't planned. why is it difficult to find out how many people were killed and why are the police not sure about it or not able to convey that information? >> it's the instantaneous fog of war. when you are at the command desk the stuff is coming in at you