is not something that rudy giuliani invented. but i do think this is something that he is trying out now. >> i should also say this, that when kristen welker asked him about the collusion's not a crime idea, that he denied it was a new strategy. he said it's an old strategy, it's in our first letter to the special prosecutor, and then he says collusion is not a crime and there's no evidence the president was involved in any collusion. >> let's focus on that. he is not wrong when he says collusion is not a crime. there is nothing -- >> right. >> -- in the federal code that says collusion is a crime. i think this is one of the effective things team trump has done is they've made collusion the operating word that the media and other people use when examining what went on here when probably a better word -- a better term is aiding and abetting, which is in the criminal code, or conspiracy to commit fraud. and if you step away from the notion of collusion which rudy says correctly doesn't exist, he knows full well aiding and abetting does. and that brings you back to the meeting at trump tower. it brings you back to the president inviting the russians