was there a sense in the courtroom today that this was an air tight case? >> i think a lot of people feel it is a strong case with gates' testimony, you get the offshore machinations but these questions of bank fraud that arose in some part during the trump campaign. the applications for large loans that went from, i think, the middle of 2016 through early 2017. rick gates allegedly had direct involvement. in so he'll be an important witness on at least some of the charges. most people watching believe the defense is trying to pitch to maybe get one or two holdout jurors who will buy the fact rick gates engineered this fraud and somehow manafort was just along for the ride. even though he was the one at the top of the food chain here. >> and he's the one with the