investigation. >> can you pause some aspects of it? >> you just don't want to do something overt. he can keep doing lots of stuff, it's not like they're going to close up shop come september 1st. giuliani is creating this deadline, september 1st, september 1st. if people buy into that, because who knows about this doj guidance, most people don't, and how it works, it's very fact-based and nuanced, then come september 1st, if mueller doesn't wrap it up, giuliani can say he's blown the deadline. he makes mueller look bad by creating this false reality. >> michael crowley, any reason to believe the giuliani strategy is anything other than these three words, delay, distract, and discredit? >> i don't think so, brian. think about rudy giuliani's recent history. where is the track record of this guy being a master strategist? he was mayor of new york city, which is an extremely challenging job. he wasn't an especially popular one for most of that time until a cataclysmic event in the form of a massive terror attack