anything, would be some kind of gotcha exercise where the president is caught unawares. you can't be caught unawares by a question of why did you fire comey? and we don't know the answer to that because he's given seven or eight different ones. >> he seemed a little caught unaware when lester holt asked it. >> is that, in fact, the standard of record? he since has backed off from that. the one thing that isn't is a perjury trap. that is a legitimate question for investigation. now he's scared of the question because mueller knows things that he doesn't know. but that's the position of the prosecutor. so he'll ask questions. and he could be quote, unquote trapped into saying something false. not a perjury trap. that's just standard questions from a prosecutor. >> right. not perjury. not a perjury trap house, just straightforward questions. joyce, finally on roger stone, so many of his aids being pulled into this. do you see a possibility where