that should not be lost in all this. >> it's something that's driving me crazy. why won't she testify? what is she afraid of. mark judge has said he does not want to testify under oath. she says she wants to show up before a panel. she just wants it to be done in sort of regular order. it's mark judge is the one who's saying i do not want to testify publicly about what i've said -- about what i've said in this case. >> yeah. >> and i think ken, your guest earlier said something earlier today in his conversations with fbi agents in law enforcement, they said typically someone who's making something up doesn't really want the fbi to come in and conduct an investigation. >> right. and this is what she's affirmatively -- what do you make of this process argument that's happening? >> look, our task when we were vetting people for nominations in the white house was to make sure that someone we were putting forward, we felt, had the character and fitness to serve and hold the public trust of the united states. and also, that the american people had the confidence that they could serve.