gets confirmed by the way, whether it's brett kavanaugh or anyone else, we'll now have five dependably conservative votes, all appointed by republicans and four dependably liberal to moderate votes, all of those justices appointed by democrats. so i think in the minds of many people who were worried about the institution, including john roberts who has made comments about this, they're worried about that. >> pete, there's been some speculation that if kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed that we might face a situation where there would be a vacatincy on t court for the remainder of trump's time in office. either the president would decline to put someone forward that the democrats would get behind or they'd obstruct anyone he puts forward. what's your sense that impact could have on the country long term? >> i find it hard to believe if the kavanaugh nomination for some reason goes down the president wouldn't immediately nominate somebody else because