correctly to say that as you sit here today you do not know how many human beings have died while in the custody of the department that you lead? and you in preparation for today's hearing you didn't ascertain that number, but you don't know it today? >> i don't have an exact figure for you. >> do you have a rough idea? >> sir, what i can tell you is -- >> people who have died in your custody, you don't have the number? >> i will get back to you with the number. >> okay. >> look, we should just remember their names, filipe and jakelin, 8 and 7 years old died in the custody of the u.s. government. we're doing nothing about it. president trump needs more resources for asylum protection and other services on the border. >> dhs or cpb has not confirmed the name of the 8-year-old boy. members of congress have said