30-year-olds who let him get behind the wheel. if we expect anything different from president trump at this point, in a weird way it's our fault. we're grading on a curve. we're all kind of desperate for some sense of normalcy and so when he makes even rhetorical nods in that direction, we tend to overreact, we tend to say, well, maybe this will work. that was donald trump. that was him at lunch with people he pretends to hate, tv news anchors, but whose approval he craves, actually being trump. and then he goes up, he gives a well-written speech for the most part, but the real trump was at lunch. and i don't think it's going to change. you always hate to foreclose the possibility of redemption or growth. but i'm pretty close. >> jon meacham, jon, thank you. i wish we had more time to dissect this thing. i've got to get to some breaking news, though. we're going back to