>> explain to me that decision, that he would make them public or keep them sealed. why would he keep them sealed? >> well, if mr. manafort is sentenced to 25 years in prison, which is effectively a life sentence for a 70-year-old man, and there is no pardon -- >> i see. >> then perhaps there's no reason to move forward and put the resources of state taxpayers, you know, in putting another trial forward, "the new york times" is reporting that the plan, as of now, is to move forward with charges regardless, but we've been told, it could go either way, and that that is still something being discussed and considered. >> and obviously, two considerations here. one, the president can't pardon state crimes, which is clearly front of mind and driving part of the thinking here. number two, there are double jeopardy protections. these charges have to be different, obviously, than the federal charges, right? >> yes, and as explained to us, they are different, that federal tax crimes, federal financial crimes are different than the state crimes that would be outlined in the state law violations that have been
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