position where we don't have a choice but to follow up. for example, in requesting the president's tax returns, something that the committee that i'm serving on has been working on, the need to do that was strengthened by some of the claims that mr. cohen made about the president inflating his value. does any of that show up in the tax returns? i guess we'll have to see. it clearly demonstrates that we have a responsibility to look into these matters. we can hold our conclusions until we get the information. >> right. >> but the american people require us to do our job and we have to look into this. >> the fact that michael cohen is a convicted liar, if you want to put it that way, and the republicans at every possible turn repeated that over and over again, sometimes for color and the word pathological. did it seem to be lost to them that he lied under oath? yes, again he was under oath but the stakes are incredibly grave. he's doing this testimony in front of a global audience, potentially, and only stands to