are just beginning to tune in and tune in for the first kind of event moment on wednesday and thursday night. >> exactly right. if, indeed, they even tune in -- >> that's a good point. let's hope, michael, come on. >> yeah, let's hope. but, yeah, there is a big divide, and that's what my piece is about. and, you know, the typical democratic voter, chris, is not somebody who's spending all day on twitter and obsessing over these details. typical democratic voter is somebody who's poor, working class, fairly low education level, and, you know, just not somebody who -- somebody who probably works pretty hard for a living and not somebody who probably has a ton of time to devote to doing this. that's your democratic rank and file. it's a very different constituency than, you know, people like us or people who watch these shows obsessively. >> and that's part of, i mean, i think that's been part of the point of the, you know, when people talk about biden, they talk about -- they compare sort of, like, online groups or