From the episode: Andrew Keen: Let’s spend a couple of minutes to end this talking about what we want to see happen in 2021 and onwards. Tom, I’m quoting you here in your book, The National Highway: “More than a flag, a tribe and ethnicity, a legal agreement, a cluster of art or production of culture, America is a civilization of whereness. Our shared geography between the oceans is the lowest common denominator within this clashing territory of strangers.” Tom, is the solution then to reestablish geography? Is that where we should begin? Tom Zoellner: I can tell you, Andrew, that this last four years has been incredibly disillusioning for me. I grew up with certain notions of America as a kind and decent place, and those foundations of my beliefs have been shaken like they never have been shaken before. But I come down to the fact that not only was the country founded on an idea—an imperfect idea, imperfectly executed, but still a good idea—but also, as much as the romanticists among us might try to deny it, the ground, the soil, the land. We are roommates with those who are extremely different from us. And I think as Americans, we’ve had an enormously difficult time with this idea. Perhaps it’s the roominess of the place that’s given us both the blessing and a curse.