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when she was 42 in 1977. it was so 1970s, they didn't diagnose it until too late. i could go on for hours, but my family chose not to tell me she even had cancer. so, the phone went on a friday night and my mum was dead, as far as i was concerned. i was 13. so, i've got loads of issues about — anyway, all that, so i did a series for 5 live called losing mum, which dealt with how children deal with that and what should happen and what didn't happen then, and rachael had the idea for the podcast at the same time, so it was all kind of symbiotic. i talked to her, she talked to me, and that's the way it went, really, and she educated me beyond all belief about talking honestly about cancer. i'd say things on air and she'd glare at me — i mean, you know that! i was her radio husband and i only got half of it. laughter. but she could deal with situations, rachael, and she's — what you've done, you three and four, isjust absolutely incredible, i feel. i said to you earlier, steve, it's like rachael just suddenly said, "marvel avengers assemble!"