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so they're going to look at the debris and try and work out what these ones are. but there's certainly growing alarm about it. and in china, they've responded angrily. they've said they didn't send any spy balloons and they've seen american spy balloons over their territory. so as tensions ratchet up between these two countries, balloons are at the middle of it. so what is going on? nick pope is a former ufo investigatorfor the ministry of defence. he joins us now from sanjose in california. morning to you. what is your assessment of what is going on? sadly, this is not aliens, however fun that might be. clearly it is espionage. the first one was a spy balloon. the other three, we are still waiting on gathering data. it looks to be some sort of surveillance platform, weather balloons, airships were drones. it