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very complex story. in these's case, what it showed was that notjust the computer system was wrong but the post office weaponised the legal system against him. likewise they did it when the group action took place when they spent over £100 million of taxpayers money to defend the indefensible. again using the power that they had monetarily to crush these people. that is the reason why these convictions need to be overturned. because it is not just that the system was wrong but the way in which the post office used the legal system against them. exactly on that point, you made the point right now that they spent millions of pounds pursuing these bogus cases, in terms of getting that money back, is there any hope