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and that's clearly not going to be enough for a great meal. i think like this. the key is and it's very difficult to say, but we need to eat with a spiritual compass. right? we need to start thinking about our meals in a completely different way and value it in a completely different way. again, going back to the show -- >> we should think like italians. >> like italians or maybe even japanese or even in south africa. in that segment, people eat great. they don't eat fast food. they eat great in the inner cities. >> it's the history of cooking. the engine of great cooking has always been poverty. it drives people to take the tough, the inedible, the not so good and through skill, repetition turn it into something good. this is an issue you think about a lot. you're very involved with school kids. >> but the difference in american poverty versus other country poverty is we have nothing in poverty ridden

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