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doing. >> how much of it is a function to vowing to the political tone in the country with respect to immigrants? it's an ugly narrative. do youny that slowed the administration from jumping into the fray with the migrants overseas? >> there is a sense of who are we and what is our job. i see this from a personal point of view. i'm an migrant. i came to this country as a refugee with my family. not a difficult story about barbed wire or anything. i am such a grateful american. i was fascinated by the way pope francis talked about us as an migrant nation. that is our value system. we shouldn't be distracted by the fear factor or seeing that foreigners are people that bring crime. i don't believe that. i think it's a mistake to really make that such a point for the american people. >> madam secretary, great to have you in studio. always love when you come in. >> i love being in. >> thank you so much for talking with us. dr. ben carson, nearly even with donald trump in the latest