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either donald trump or his post presidency office in contempt, in which case they could face fines. but this sort of tells you how contentious things have been behind the scenes between the trump team and the justice department. >> fascinating. john dean and cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rodgers. what's your reaction to this news that perhaps as many as four others beyond the former president are being looked and possibly referred to the select committee of the doj? >> i don't think it will influence the department. it will certainly influence the public, which in turn might influence the department. this really focuses on these people there will be more information normally from a criminal investigation will be revealed about why the committee feels these people have earned a referral. so i think it's an important move, and i would not be surprised if there is some more that get named. >> jennifer, how do you think the attorney general of the department of justice weighed these referrals? >> not really at all, anderson.